Two separate Ohtanis

[Rangers GM (Stephen)]

Hello all,

This year, Fantrax have added the option to use two separate Ohtanis - Hitting Ohtani and Pitching Ohtani.
My understanding of this is that Ohtani the hitter and Ohtani the pitcher will be separate entities, which in some leagues could conceivably be drafted/owned by different teams. In ours, both Ohtani entitiese would be owned by the same team who could then choose when to start each of the skills in hitting and/or pitching lineup spots in any given period.

Of course, no changes will be made that impact the 2022 season, but unless there is a serious objection I intend to enable this setting this offseason.

My reasoning for supporting the move to separate the hitting and pitching Ohtanis is that I feel it better mimics real life. The real life Angels can choose on any given day whether Ohtani hits, pitches, both or neither, and it has never been clear to me why Fantrax didn't offer this solution before.
The timing is also good for us as the change will take place as Ohtani hits free agency. Enacting this change whilst he were owned - and potentially altering his value significantly to the benefit of one team - is a slightly murky road which I am happy to avoid.

It is immaterial until we see another 2-way player who is able to positively contribute each-way, but I assume that any subsequent 2-way players following in Ohtani's footsteps will be granted the same separation. Once I see that this is the case, rule 3.5.2 will be amended to remove the 75% clause as the full value of the player on each side of the ball will be available to any owner of any 2-way player.

If there is no objection in the next two weeks, then this change will take place in the offseason.

Thanks,
Stephen

[D'backs GM (Mo)]

Sorry I might be in the minority but I don't wanna Separate the Othani's

[Rangers GM (Stephen)]

Apr 28, 2023 12:41:12 GMT -5 D'backs GM (Mo) said:

Sorry I might be in the minority but I don't wanna Separate the Othani's

Hi Mo,

Could you elaborate on your reasoning?
I am more than open to there being considerations that I am not seeing which are important.

Thanks,
Stephen

[Marlins GM (Dan)]

Under the current version (only 1 Ohtani), he can either hit or pitch or any given day, correct? If that is the case, then I agree in the idea of separating them so that they can both be played on a day when he both pitches and hits can be used.

[Rangers GM (Stephen)]

Apr 28, 2023 12:45:10 GMT -5 Marlins GM (Dan) said:

Under the current version (only 1 Ohtani), he can either hit or pitch or any given day, correct? If that is the case, then I agree in the idea of separating them so that they can both be played on a day when he both pitches and hits can be used.

This is correct.
With the current settings, Ohtani can only be set in a given period as a hitter or a pitcher, and only accumulates stats for those categories on that day.

[Astros GM (Adam)]

Apr 27, 2023 10:35:11 GMT -5 Rangers GM (Stephen) said:

both Ohtani entitiese would be owned by the same team

I really appreciate this part of the proposal. It would be disappointing if the hitter and pitcher were on separate teams. But splitting them for scoring purposes only makes sense.

[D'backs GM (Mo)]

Apr 28, 2023 15:12:50 GMT -5 Astros GM (Adam) said:

Apr 27, 2023 10:35:11 GMT -5 Rangers GM (Stephen) said:

both Ohtani entitiese would be owned by the same team

I really appreciate this part of the proposal. It would be disappointing if the hitter and pitcher were on separate teams. But splitting them for scoring purposes only makes sense.

Sorry Steph I misunderstood. I didn't know that both Othani's would be owned by the same team.

Please disregard my previous message.

[Royals GM (Jordan)]

I don't mind this one way or the other, but it is worth clearly stating that it does boost ohtani's value to the benefit of whichever team gets the 20% HTD on him heading into FA. Still, I don't object

[Rangers GM (Stephen)]

Apr 29, 2023 11:18:22 GMT -5 Royals GM (Jordan) said:

I don't mind this one way or the other, but it is worth clearly stating that it does boost ohtani's value to the benefit of whichever team gets the 20% HTD on him heading into FA. Still, I don't object

This is indeed true. That said, we have all seen 20% discounts defeated, so that's a slightly different proposition to just increasing a guy's value when he is committed to a roster already.

I would also note that the only reason Ohtani has to either be a hitter or pitcher on any given day is because he is a unicorn that our scoring website wasn't really prepared for.
It seems to me an oddity that this concession has not been available before, but perhaps that is because there is less call for it in leagues with hard roster limits (which ours is not).

[Reds GM (Kyler)]

I mean the scoring website has had 6 years to figure it out, and the sport figured it out before last season with the rule change

[Rangers GM (Stephen)]

Hi all,

I have now selected this option, and see the Ohtani the hitter and Ohtani the pitcher as two separate players in the player pool.

Whoever rosters Ohtani on Proboards will roster both Ohtanis on Fantrax, allowing them for the first time to place Ohtani in their active lineup as both a pitcher and a hitter on any given day if they so wish rather than having to choose between one and the other.

Thanks,
Stephen