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Post by Admin on Oct 6, 2015 16:48:44 GMT -5
Any suggestions for the November 1st rule change ballot may be discussed here.
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Post by bryanm1982 (Bryan, WAS) on Oct 7, 2015 19:59:00 GMT -5
I suggest we look into adding a category of holds in scoring. Holds are a important stat in baseball. It makes RP a more meaning position especially in a very deep league like this. Not all teams will be able to have a closer. But all or most teams have the important 2 set up pitchers. And they are getting paid more and more each year. Look at Wade Davis, Herrera, Watson, Smith.
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Post by Admin on Oct 7, 2015 20:14:56 GMT -5
My first thought when setting the categories for this league was to combine saves and holds in a single category. Saves alone was chosen as an attempt to keep things as simple as possible.
Personally, I completely agree with your opinion Washington. The standard 5x5 really devalues dominant middle relievers.
What do we think about a combined saves/holds category? If several people are in support, then it can be put on an official poll.
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Post by bryanm1982 (Bryan, WAS) on Oct 7, 2015 20:28:57 GMT -5
I like that Idea. And then we wouldn't have to add a offensive category to make it even. I think it would be good for this league with how deep it is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 20:33:34 GMT -5
I think we should. Especially with 30 teams and not every team being able to have a closer. Every team would be able to get holds.
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Post by gepetto69 (Stuart, LAD) on Oct 7, 2015 21:49:05 GMT -5
Here's my two cents about the pitching cats.
I see wins and strikeouts being accumulated by SP's.
I see saves combining with ERA and WHIP for closers.
So if adding holds and saves together gives more value to RP's who are specialists for holds then I think it adds depth to the league.
You figure with the in season turnover of some closers that saves will change in time for a few teams.
So if we give value to those RP's who specialize in holds then we should have a more rounded league.
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Post by Admin on Oct 8, 2015 14:17:10 GMT -5
If SVHD becomes a category, we'd have to change the player rater being referenced for arbitration salaries. If anyone would like to compare how this changes players' values, here is a link to a revised player rater: games.espn.go.com/flb/playerrater?leagueId=118170&teamId=1Wade Davis moves from the 50th overall to 33rd. Any player who didn't get holds gets a slight reduction in price. Are those who support this proposal in agreement with using the altered player rater? |
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Post by gepetto69 (Stuart, LAD) on Oct 8, 2015 14:39:54 GMT -5
It makes no difference to me. I'm good either way
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Post by bryanm1982 (Bryan, WAS) on Oct 8, 2015 19:38:20 GMT -5
I'm good with it. Like I said I think set up men are becoming more important now than before.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 15:00:23 GMT -5
I think it's good cause look at Drew Storen this season. A team could pay high for those closers and then the team makes a trade and they become expensive set up man. With this rule they will still be valuable and helpful to your team.
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Post by kpick10 (Kevin, BOS) on Oct 9, 2015 19:27:04 GMT -5
Braves gm is spot on and exactly why I also agree that making it combined is a solid idea.
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Post by bryanm1982 (Bryan, WAS) on Oct 9, 2015 20:20:06 GMT -5
Good point. Be also more trade pieces for teams.
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Post by Rangers GM (Stephen) on Nov 3, 2015 9:20:14 GMT -5
At risk of being the new guy who speaks out of turn before he's earned his stripes, a saves category in a 30 team league introduces a massive supply-and-demand inequality into the league. Open market salaries of established/'safe' closers are astronomical, whilst speculation on saves can also cause significant salary inflation on players who could be considered to be less than deserving.
In a league where free agency contracts are guaranteed and a minimum length of two years, this can swiftly create albatross bids and contracts - even from the pen of the most conservative GM. In addition, mid-season player values can soar and plummet on the random musings of a real life GM's decision to reallocate bullpen duties
The difference between saves and saves+holds will fundamentally impact how RPs are valued, and whilst I'm certainly not trying to influence it in either direction it is certainly a topic worthy of strong consideration before votes are cast.
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Post by gepetto69 (Stuart, LAD) on Nov 3, 2015 10:13:01 GMT -5
Welcome Stephen, and I for one appreciate your input.
The way I see this idea is roster management.
Some of us play very different styles than others; for example my good friends Bryan and Hunter play way differently than I do.
Which is why I think having a saves plus holds cat is great.
Some will pay extra cash for this cat while others will simply punt it away.
I for one will have a strong bullpen when having very little power on with my hitters.
I like to think it adds variety to a league.
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Post by Rangers GM (Stephen) on Nov 3, 2015 10:31:38 GMT -5
Stuart, hello.
I must admit that a lot of my experience comes from roto leagues. In H2H where category punting can be more prevalent (and tactically sound) you are quite right to highlight the differing styles of play available to us.
Another thought to add to the locker as I set about business...
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