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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2016 19:48:00 GMT -5
Which criteria should be used to determine Division and Wild Card winners? - "Most wins" or - "Best Win%".
Because we can have tied categories, the team with the most wins may not have the best winning percentage.
The default at Fantrax appears to sort the standings by "Win%". If we opt for "Most wins", then we will need to be aware that the team atop the standings may not be in the lead.
If we choose "Best Win%", then rule 2.5.3 will need revised to use most wins as a tiebreaker.
Either one could be argued to be reflective of MLB, where they don't have to worry about ties in the win/loss record.
We will leave this poll open for a week. Any thoughts can be discussed below.
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Post by St. Louis GM (Bert) on Jan 20, 2016 21:10:41 GMT -5
How is win percentage calculated? Is it :
W / GP W / GP-Ties (This is how the NFL determines win percentage)
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2016 21:33:20 GMT -5
How is win percentage calculated? Is it : W / GP W / GP-Ties (This is how the NFL determines win percentage) I've had trouble finding much information about this on Fantrax. It may not be a setting that can be changed. However, I would assume it to be W / (GP-Ties). Otherwise they would be counting ties as losses. They offer "most wins" as a tiebreaker, and not necessarily the first. It seems to indicate that they would sort by percentage. Since all our playoff teams will have to join in a separate league, the Fantrax setting doesn't matter too much other than viewing the standings, although it's nice to make them match wherever possible.
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Post by St. Louis GM (Bert) on Jan 20, 2016 21:37:40 GMT -5
Well I would think W% makes more sense due to the ties, we are going to have A TON of ties. I think ESPN leagues are the same, the default is W%.
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Post by Yankees GM (Ramesh) on Jan 20, 2016 21:40:44 GMT -5
Yankees vote W%
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Post by Pirates GM (TJ) on Jan 20, 2016 23:22:13 GMT -5
This is why I preferred the home team tiebreak in HTH. Which actually gives a significant advantage to the team who is "home" for the given matchup (and consequently gives a tremendous advantage to the home team in playoff matchups).
I personally hate seeing ties in HTH, when there is no need for them to exist.
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Post by Rangers GM (Stephen) on Jan 21, 2016 6:44:21 GMT -5
This is why I preferred the home team tiebreak in HTH. Which actually gives a significant advantage to the team who is "home" for the given matchup (and consequently gives a tremendous advantage to the home team in playoff matchups). I personally hate seeing ties in HTH, when there is no need for them to exist. Just so I understand - are you saying that you prefer the home team to be awarded a win for each individual category that is tied? So a matchup that was 3-4-3 (say three wins each with ties in W, Sv, HR and R) would be scored 7-3 to the home team, even though they only actually outperformed their opponent in three of the ten categories?
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Post by notoriousgman (Gman, NYM) on Jan 21, 2016 7:27:04 GMT -5
Good question...
Each category is scored as a point, correct? So at the end of the week, each team will have 10 scoring point opportunities... If so, ties are a part of it, and W% takes care of it.
It's not 1 pt if you win the week, similar to fantasy football,
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Post by Rangers GM (Stephen) on Jan 21, 2016 7:40:32 GMT -5
Each category each week is scored as a point, so winning 10-0-0 is significantly better than winning 6-0-4. Likewise, successive results of 4-0-6 and 4-0-6 have exactly the same end of season impact on the standings as two results of 8-0-2 and 0-0-10. Winning the individual weekly matchup itself has no impact whatsoever on the score.
Another example of the overall question being asked (put to an extreme) it what is better of the following two end of season overall scores: 1) 160W-0T-20L 2) 159W-20T-1L
"Most wins" would give option 1) as the winner in this example, whilst win% makes option 2) the winner.
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Post by Mariners GM (Travis) on Jan 21, 2016 10:14:27 GMT -5
I vote percentage. Teams should get credit for ties (matching their opponents) vs losses. In winning percentage, essentially half a win is awarded to each team reflecting that they were equals in that aspect. It would be dumb to discount that when it matters.
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Post by St. Louis GM (Bert) on Jan 21, 2016 13:09:21 GMT -5
Each category each week is scored as a point, so winning 10-0-0 is significantly better than winning 6-0-4. Likewise, successive results of 4-0-6 and 4-0-6 have exactly the same end of season impact on the standings as two results of 8-0-2 and 0-0-10. Winning the individual weekly matchup itself has no impact whatsoever on the score. Another example of the overall question being asked (put to an extreme) it what is better of the following two end of season overall scores: 1) 160W-0T-20L 2) 159W-20T-1L "Most wins" would give option 1) as the winner in this example, whilst win% makes option 2) the winner. That is a perfect example. #2 was clearly better over the course of the season. In soccer they would have finished top of the table!
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Post by Pirates GM (TJ) on Jan 21, 2016 16:39:16 GMT -5
This is why I preferred the home team tiebreak in HTH. Which actually gives a significant advantage to the team who is "home" for the given matchup (and consequently gives a tremendous advantage to the home team in playoff matchups). I personally hate seeing ties in HTH, when there is no need for them to exist. Just so I understand - are you saying that you prefer the home team to be awarded a win for each individual category that is tied? So a matchup that was 3-4-3 (say three wins each with ties in W, Sv, HR and R) would be scored 7-3 to the home team, even though they only actually outperformed their opponent in three of the ten categories? Correct. Otherwise home field isn't an advantage at all. And from years of HTH play I can tell you that it's rare to have even two categories tied in a week. I think I've seen a triple tie exactly once. Roughly half of contests have zero ties, and about 45% have one.
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Post by Rangers GM (Stephen) on Jan 21, 2016 16:43:01 GMT -5
@tj Perhaps something for future consideration. I guess at least with an even schedule (as we have here) there would be no matchup anomolies that would give an unfair advantage...
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Post by Pirates GM (TJ) on Jan 21, 2016 18:27:14 GMT -5
@tj Perhaps something for future consideration. I guess at least with an even schedule (as we have here) there would be no matchup anomolies that would give an unfair advantage... And I can tell you it makes the regular season substantially more interesting when there is an actual incentive to have home field advantage. It greatly reduces the number of teams who phone it in at the end of the season because they don't see a reason to care whether they finish in first or not.
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Post by Admin on Jan 21, 2016 18:52:13 GMT -5
Allowing categorical ties seems like it would be a more accurate representation of the true results. However, as a result of this conversation, I was just noticing we have no tiebreakers for playoff matchups listed in the rules.
One option: We could still allow the categorical ties, but a tied playoff matchup goes to the home team. (It would still provide great incentive to finish with the best record possible.)
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